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Despite the off-putting dresscode suggestions on the London protest's Facebook wall ("SHOULD +V for Vendetta mask for the lulz +SUITS or +Bright/outrageous super awesome clothes that would make people stare +PASSION AND RAGE!") I went down and followed around a bunch of people who feel they are being persecuted by copyright despots.




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Loz Kaye: Good, very happy to see so many people out.I've seen the hate for ACTA on the web, what are people saying about it elsewhere?
Médecins Sans Frontières have criticised ACTA's effects on their ability to get life-saving drugs to people in need of humanitarian aid. That's not trivial, it's a matter of life and death.One question I wanted to ask you, which nobody seems to know the answer to, is who actually wrote ACTA, specifically?
This is part of the whole problem. We have a list of people and bodies who were invited to negotiations. But we don't know whether they were for it, against it or just there to drink coffee. This is indicative of the whole way this has been negotiated behind closed doors. We do know that certain countries have been involved all along though, such as the US, Japan and Canada, as well as the EU.

Even if you accept the argument that it's a good thing, it's not worth the paper it's written on because Brazil, India, China and Russia aren't involved in it. If you're talking about counterfeiting, there's no point in doing it if China isn't involved.I guess those guys are the kings of counterfeit stuff. Are there any countries that aren't signatories but who will be affected by it? Say, if you're from Mexico and carry out copyright infringement against a US company, can you then be extradited?
Well, that's what we're facing right now. Richard O'Dwyer, a 23-year-old student from Sheffield Hallam, is facing extradition and a ten-year sentence in US jail for setting up a website called TV Shack. TV Shack only produced links and as far as we can see it's not even illegal in the UK, but he's facing extradition. The US is already throwing its weight around. You can get a longer sentence for copying Michael Jackson songs than the doctor who killed him. That's the reality we're living in.
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Well it sets the agenda of the pro-copyright fundamentalists in stone. Because it's an international agreement, if we ratify this in the UK, we can't get back from it again without breaking an international treaty.I've also heard there might be border control searches of laptops and iPhones?
The language is vague enough for it to happen. Leading European law academics have said that in terms of border control it goes way beyond current EU law.

Exactly, it's a huge shift. It unleashes the copyright cops.Would setting up new businesses be more difficult?
It will kill innovation. To do proper due diligence if you want to start up a new Facebook, or a new Twitter, or a new Flickr… you'd have to be crazy, actually, if this came in. You'd need an army of lawyers to make sure you can comply.

Yes. The point is that, now, everyone is in the frame. Everyone will basically be fighting to cover their own back, which will stop anyone taking risks, leaving it up to the bigger companies to be dominant. It also comes down to criminal sanctions for 'aiding and abetting' copyright infringement, which is a pretty broad thing to wanna punish people for.
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It's clearly the big entertainment lobby that's been pressing for this, on all sorts of levels nationally as well as internationally. But the people you have to hold responsible are your politicians. What's hugely frustrating is it seems again and again that there's nobody in politics who has a background or understanding in how the web functions. One of the criticisms of SOPA was how little input there was from people with a technical background. Obviously you're going to make crap laws, if you don't get people to tell you what they'll mean.

It would certainly leave it in a very difficult position. They would be left with a treaty that is even more useless. It would essentially become meaningless, so the stakes are high.Even if ACTA fails to be enacted, are these issues going away?
Digital rights are going to be hard fought probably throughout this next decade. SOPA was a significant victory, but it hasn't gone away. There are still things like the Digital Economy Act lurching inexorably towards us like an evil zombie. But it's becoming obvious that backing bills like this can be poisonous, politically.
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