Lorenzo Meloni: I already had a full time job, so the only time I had to shoot was my free time: I was mainly shooting my friends. We were doing rave parties and things like that. How did you go from raves to conflict work?
I started to shoot stories in my holidays from work and studying, one of the first was in Yemen. I went there in 2010 with the idea of making a complex photojournalistic story about the water crisis. While I was there I had my first encounter, accidentally, with a conflict situation.
Libya: Al-Hamada desert. December 2015. A member of the Third Force patrols the desert surrounding Libya's al-Sharara Oil facility. Operating under the Tripoli-based government, the Third Force has security mandates in parts of southern Libya.
Syria, Deir ez-Zor. February 2019. Leonora, aged 19, from Germany, just outside Baghouz, where she was handed back to the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) by US intelligence after being questioned. She joined the Islamic State when she was 15-years-old and married Martin Lemke, a member of the Islamic State's Amniyat (intelligence). Lemke was also taken in for questioning by US intelligence but was not released.
I began to have doubts from the first day I arrived in Libya. I had been reading everything I could about the revolution – mostly in the European press – everyone was writing about the rebels in Libya: these young people fighting for freedom. It was all a bit idealised. Early on a guy told me, “Before, we were fighting Gaddafi. Now anyone with a gun is a Gaddafi – they have the right of life and death over you.”
In parallel to the work in Libya, I started photographing along the border between Lebanon and Syria. Then I went to Aleppo to cover the fighting there. I left Aleppo the day after I found myself taking a photo around a corner with another photographer’s camera lens flapping around my head. I decided to go and see what was going on with the Kurds, who had started to fight against a faction of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) that was more extreme, and had links with Al-Qaeda. The borders in that region have an interesting history, they are the result of a colonial agreement between the British and the French, the Sykes-Picot agreement, and have become points of encounter and clashes between religions and ethnicities. I was looking for a complex story that gave me freedom to take pictures that weren’t just of people firing Kalashnikovs…
In 2014, Baghdadi [i.e. IS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi] announced the birth of the Islamic State. One of the very first things they did was a propaganda video where they drove over the border between Syria and Iraq, destroying the symbols of the border. They said the border didn’t exist, that it was just a consequence of colonialism, and thus proclaimed the caliphate.I was looking for a common thread to my work, and then this arrived. From a selfish point of view, without knowing what was going to happen from there on, I was almost grateful for this proclamation.The Islamic State somehow connected all the stories I was already working on.
Syria, Palmyra. April 2016. After retaking the ancient and modern cities of Palmyra days earlier, victorious Syrian Arab Army soldiers climb over rubble. A section of a portico is all that remains of ancient Palmyra's Temple of Bel after it was blown up by the Islamic State.
I would enter places where IS had been and whichever armed group I was with usually destroyed everything. For me, IS was an obsession of sorts, I wanted to know everything about these people – why they were doing what they were doing. I was searching for stuff… You had to be very careful as a lot of stuff was mined, but I started this collection. What was happening before my eyes was historic. It seemed a shame to burn all the proof of it.
Libya, Sirte. September 2016. Following its liberation from the Islamic State, a Libyan fighter walks through the Ouagadougou Conference Centre, built by former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
I printed off a crazy amount of pictures, to the point where my flat looked like the house of a psychopath. I tried to find things that all these places had in common. That's when I came upon this idea of fragmentation.I had been wounded by shrapnel fragments, and most of the people I saw wounded or killed were hit by very small fragments of shrapnel… I had done a big series of images of shrapnel and they gave me this idea of fragmentation. The source of the conflict was the division between these countries… Places fragmented, ethnically, religiously, the fragmentation of whole lands.Fragmentation and repetition are elements that exist as a form of narration also used in literature– The Things They Carried is a famous example – this creating of a loop, every story restarting the same way and fragmenting. The timeline of the book goes from the announcement of the Islamic State to its end as a territorial entity, but obviously the reasons for the birth of the Islamic State are rooted well before its advent and the ideology continues to exist. We Don’t Say Goodbye is available now, published by GOST.
Iraq, Qayyarah. November 2016. Islamic State fighters set fire to oil wells near Qayyarah, to provide cover from the Iraqi Air Force and US-led coalition airstrikes.
Syria, Raqqa. April 2018. A man runs from a falling building in Raqqa. After the Islamic State was defeated here, civilians started to slowly return although much of the city still lies in ruins.
