Friedrich Kunath, We are Due for a Transcendent Moment (Cosmic Cowboy), 2016. Acrylic and ink on canvas, 238.8 x 259.1 x 3.8 cm. © Friedrich Kunath, Courtesy of the artist and Blum & Poe, Los Angeles/New York/Tokyo. Photo: Joshua White/JWPictures.com
Friedrich Kunath: Mainly it was about me getting back to the cliché of it all. To really just, you know, paint.There are the dreamy allegorical paintings, the romantic landscapes, and the surreal, rainbow-punctuated interiors that have surfaced over the years, and then there are these big, meaty abstractions that feel new. Why do you keep coming back to rainbows?
I've always been drawn to them. When I was in art school, these types of things weren't allowed. They were almost forbidden subjects because they menaced, sort of like soft rock. There will be a couple of them in the show. One is going to say: "Your fault, My fault."How many paintings are you showing?
Well it's all about editing. There are some based on an Odilon Redon chair design, and there's the "Returned to Forever" series, which is a reference to a 1970s jazz fusion band.
Yeah, it's quite an existential question: What does it mean to do a show in 2017? Is it because of the fraught political moment we're in that you're asking yourself this question?
Of course. I don't consider myself a traditional political artist, but in a way we all are now. It all starts personal, then wanders out into the world. I've been through some transformations in my life . . .What do you mean?
I cleaned up my life a little bit and I'm trying not to be so hard on myself. I'm 42, and I was like, "Fuck, I'm running into the same problems all the time and I've got to do something." Things as simple as being unable to say no. So I'm trying to deal with all these things. Saying yes all the time is just an aspect of inner hate. I don't believe in self-help or self-sufficiency, but I know there's something changing in me. There was a moment that brought it all out, and now I'm in the middle of it.And this show will see you pushing through that?
Yeah, it's going to be big for me. I don't know what the outcome will be, but this exhibition includes every type of thing I've done over four years. For me at least, it's a big transformative show that'll also define something. I haven't done a solo show at Blum & Poe since 2012. I felt like I wasn't ready.What's changed? What have you been thinking about?
It's the most complete and kaleidoscopic show I've done. I've done projects in Europe and New York, but they were always in one room. Here I can tell much bigger story. It's like a museum.
I did a show in Holland last year where I had a whole big room, and it looked like this. But now I'm looking ahead to what the resolution of it all might be. That's in the last room, where I go back to thick paint and figuration. And the video is called The End is My Beginning. It's . . . a senseless quest for meaning. You're given purpose, so there's always an interior monologue, but now you have something that bounces off you—the purpose of life. Sometimes I feel like it's all so formalist and decorative. And I'm not saying that I'm going to change, but I want to give the work a bigger purpose. I don't want to do seven abstract paintings in a row and call it a day.You want to create more questions than answers.
For sure.
Friedrich Kunath, You're Only Lonely, 2016. Acrylic and ink on canvas, 162.6 x 116.8 cm. © Friedrich Kunath, Courtesy of the artist and Blum & Poe, Los Angeles/New York/Tokyo. Photo: Joshua White/JWPictures.com
Well, LA gives me the most freedom of all the places I've lived. There's a sense of generosity here that I've never felt anywhere else.Where were you living before?
Mostly Europe, Germany. I lived in Texas twenty years ago.What made you move to LA?
I did a show here, then I was like, "shit, this is my blank canvas." It was a new beginning. I'm from East Berlin, so going from communism to sunshine made things feel easier.What did your parents do?
My mom was in the music business, managing Eastern European rock bands. But then she transitioned into dealing a bit with art, East German stuff, in galleries. She married four times so I have like a lot of stepdads, from roadie to architect to bricklayer, the whole range. My dad used to be a bricklayer but now he has a company. He does pressure gauges, really boring stuff. So what got you into painting?
My mother took me to a thing when I was 15 or 16. I was kind of a troubled kid—skateboarding, drugs. She dragged me to this thing where there were housewives painting. I think she offered me money, like if you do this I'll give you an allowance. Then I painted at home and she took my portfolio and applied to the art schools with it when I was 17, and one took me. I think I was the youngest student ever to start there; I don't have a high school diploma. I was like, "Fuck, I'm not an artist. This is insane!" But in retrospect, it saved me. It was all a joke pretty much for the first four years, then it dawned on me that maybe it was the only thing I could do, and it got serious. It's not the classic story of a well-nurtured talent, and I still feel that distance, you know? When you ask an artist they always say that "I feel like an outsider," but I definitely feel that. I wanted to be a musician—there are a lot words in my work, and a sadness and melancholy that music tends to deal with more than art.
That might come from music; that's kind of where I learned my alphabet. If what most artists do is articulate certain ideas as objects, what I do, if I can, is articulate certain emotions as objects—or as paintings, films, sculptures, or entire shows. But I also ask the big questions, you know, so it's never like when artists just talk about certain processes. There's no nailing it down.Where do your obsessions with architecture and interiors come from?
I don't know, but I always feel like a carpet not only changes the acoustics in an exhibition, it also takes away the importance, or the fear of importance. A carpet democratizes everything because it feels like home. I always like to calm things down, make them homey and comfortable.Is this a conceptual entry point or a formal device?
Maybe a mixture, like a Trojan Horse. Like, "Come in, sit down, let's talk." But maybe it's insecurity too. I've done the white cube, but I feel more comfortable thinking in terms of other interiors.Many artists have this "overwhelming" sensibility, this excess of ideas that spill out onto the walls and the floor.
I've always needed a space like this in order to think. I hate the economy of things that are "not supposed" to be around you.It gets at that notion that the best art is art that's about life, not about art.
Always, I totally agree. Most of the stuff I do when I'm painting is unconscious, almost blind. I create an environment to let these things happen. But when they're happening I'm actually not there, really.
Yeah, or like an exercise. I've always had the fetish of a gentlemen's club in my head. That would be the perfect environment. Do you have buddies that come over and jam in this room?
Oh yeah, of course, all the time. Not collectors though. It's so sensitive you know? When I'm doing a show, every reaction I get from you, from anyone, towards something unfinished is going to corrupt my view. And I don't want that, so I'm very selective.What prompted the show's title? I like the melody of the phrase. It also seems like you're really rolling the dice, showing all your cards.
Yes, but if it fails then that's fine. I'm in a good place.
Friedrich Kunath, I'll Try to Be More Romantic (Study), 2015. Acrylic on canvas, 101.6 x 76.2 x 1.9 cm. © Friedrich Kunath, Courtesy of the artist and Blum & Poe, Los Angeles/New York/Tokyo. Photo: Joshua White/JWPictures.com