
Important note: Though fascist, nationalist, and socialist make for a great header, the participants would rather be seen as a National Socialist vs. a racial realist vs. a civil libertarian. We would have put that instead, but it didn't have the same zing.Goldberg and Taylor go at it a bit more in these missives that were received after press time.First we have Goldberg replying to Taylor’s previous statements… Danny Goldberg: I have already acknowledged that there were some racists among the American founding fathers. Thank God, over the decades, their argument lost favor, not only with most Americans but also with most white Americans. It occurs to me, in reading some of this nonsense, that this is a carefully contrived put-on like those of Andy Kaufman or Ali G. Yet I remind myself that there are, indeed, racists in the United States and around the world, poor misguided people who think that they can be happier by associating solely with people of a similar or identical ethnic background, and who blame their own unhappiness or the ills of society on the supposed influence of other races. Of course this has long been a sucker’s bet, which takes energy away from making real changes that make life better for anyone, but great suffering has come from people who try to actualize such delusions so it is worth having the patience to make the case against it.The American experiment in welcoming people from all over the world has produced the most powerful nation in history. If the country only consisted on descendants of the first wave of settlers, it would have only a fraction of its wealth, power of cultural impact. The idea that all white people have some unique common cultural bond is absurd. There are dozens of white traditions that clash with each other as intensely as they do with those of other continents. A white, Indian and Nigerian doctor all have more in common with each other than they do with many of their patients of the same ethnic background. It should go without saying, that a commitment to openness to other cultures does not deprive us of the right to defend ourselves. In a post 9/11 world, there is nothing wrong with having stricter scrutiny of who enters our country. But to tar all racial minorities with the same brush is irrational and immoral. To imagine that the recognition of Asian and African culture somehow diminishes European culture is pathetic. In any event, the reality of the modern world, with its ever expanding electronic communication, makes it inevitable that we will all be living increasingly in a world culture, in which, by the way, American traditions play a large and widely admired role. Fighting this wave of connections is futile for fundamentalists of every race, religion and country. People of all culture could do worse than identify with the words of Thomas Paine: “All mankind are my brethren.
The world is my country
To do good is my religion
I believe in one God and no more.” Jared Taylor responds (Goldberg's quotes are in bold):
"I have already acknowledged that there were some racists among the American founding fathers." By today's standards, the entire country was "racist" until just a few decades ago. Virtually everyone understood the importance of passing on to their children a country with a solid European majority. Here is just one example of this thinking and I could cite many more: The American Colonization Society was founded in 1816 to persuade blacks to go back to Africa. Its members opposed slavery, but also thought blacks and whites could not live together peacefully and productively. The following prominent Americans were not just members but *officers* of the society: Henry Clay, Andrew Jackson, Daniel Webster, Stephen Douglas, William Seward, Francis Scott Key, Gen. Winfield Scott, and two Chief Justices of the Supreme Court, John Marshall and Roger Taney. After two terms as President, James Madison served as president of the society. Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln also wanted to send blacks back to Africa, and James Monroe worked so hard at it that the capital of Liberia is named Monrovia in gratitude for his efforts. All these people believed a multi-racial society was a bad idea, and that separation was the only alternative. People with closed minds will dismiss them as "racists." That is because victims of propaganda can't think for themselves. The real question is this: Were Jefferson, Lincoln and Madison right or wrong? Is our society more peaceful, productive, and happy because there are 30 million blacks and 30 million Hispanics living here? Think hard about crime, welfare, school dropouts, illegitimacy, gang killings, AIDS, and race riots and then try to answer that question honestly. "The American experiment in welcoming people from all over the world has produced the most powerful nation in history." First of all, I don't want to live in an "experiment." Experiments can go wrong. Stable, happy societies are made out of people with fellow feeling, not out of squabbling factions. In any case, as I pointed out earlier, this "experiment" has been going on only since 1965. The United States became a great power at a time when it was overwhelmingly white and had an immigration policy designed to keep it that way. In fact, in the 1940s and 1950s, when the country was 90 percent white it was -- in terms of GNP, industrial manufacturing, and per capita income -- far more dominant in the world than it is today. The nation that won two world wars did not "welcome people from all over the world." It is the nation that lost the Vietnam War and can't figure out how to get out of Iraq that "welcomes people from all over the world." "The idea that all white people have some unique common cultural bond is absurd. . . . A white, Indian and Nigerian doctor all have more in common with each other than they do with many of their patients of the same ethnic background." This is hilarious. I suppose that is why they established the Association of Black Physicians, the National Hispanic Medical Association, and the American Association of Physicians of Indian Origin – because they have so much in common with white doctors. I guess that's why every big-city fire and police department has special unions for black and Hispanic officers. I guess that's why there is a Black Congressional Caucus and one for Hispanics, and why virtually every college campus has a black (and Hispanic and Asian) student union. That must be why there are race-based associations for lawyers, journalists, anthropologists, car dealers, realtors, and just about any other profession you can think of. The same is true for churches, of course. Aren't Christians supposed to have a lot in common with each other? Back in the 1960s, Martin Luther King pointed out that "the most segregated hour in Christian America is eleven o'clock on Sunday morning." It's no different today. Furthermore, there are plenty of black or Asian patients who prefer to be treated by someone of their own race. It is only whites who are not allowed to express a similar preference. That was a silly argument. "In any event, the reality of the modern world, with its ever expanding electronic communication, makes it inevitable that we will all be living increasingly in a world culture, in which, by the way, American traditions play a large and widely admired role. Fighting this wave of connections is futile for fundamentalists of every race, religion and country." Another silly argument. Culture and people are not the same thing, and you can get the best of one without the other. The Japanese have all the opera and Wagner they want without importing Italians and Germans. We, stupidly, do the opposite. What gifts of culture do millions of Haitians, Mexicans, Guatemalans, Bangladeshis, and Somalis bring us? Many are illiterate in their own languages, much less English. We get the people and no culture. The same is true for world trade. We can import oil without importing Saudi Arabians or Nigerians. It is nonsense to think that transport and communications mean we have to stuff the country with people from all over the world. In fact, everyone but us understands that. Try emigrating to Saudi Arabia or Nigeria or Mexico. They know better than to have a bunch of Americans showing up asking for bilingual education and "multi-culturalism." "People of all culture could do worse than identify with the words of Thomas Paine:
'All mankind are my brethren.
The world is my country . . . '" At best, this is sentimental moonshine, and at worst, pure hypocrisy. Does Mr. Goldberg have any brothers? Does he treat them like "all mankind?" How about his children? Does he treat them like "all mankind," too? If he does, he is a monster. This "we're all brothers" stuff is propaganda to persuade white people that there is nothing wrong with being pushed out of their own country by people who have no illusions about universal brotherhood. To say "the world is my country" means "the world can have *my* country." Once again, only white people even pretend to believe this. Try it on a Chinese or a Turk. Israelis certainly don't believe it. Israel was founded for a specific people: Jews. You don't even have to believe in Judaism to live in Israel, so long as you can prove biological descent from Jews. If Mr. Goldberg really believes this "my brethren" stuff, he would have to agree with the UN declaration that Zionism is racism. You can't have it both ways: If Jews deserve a homeland (and God bless 'em) than everyone else does, too.

