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Neal Brennan: It’s a whole different amount of cocaine. Uh, no. You know there’s weird stuff like what to do with your head. For instance, when I did the monologue, I had a tendency to lean my head back. It’s all weird shit that you wouldn’t think anything of, and then you watch it on camera and you’re like, Dude, what are you doing with your head?Right. So The Approval Matrix… it seems like a lot of the show’s controversial topics come from the strong opinions you’ve talked about extensively on The Champs, like how you didn’t agree that Saturday Night Live should have hired a black woman just because the internet told them to. Do you feel like the stakes are higher, now that you’re saying this shit on TV instead of on a podcast?
Yeah, well, I’m starting to realize that it’ll probably have a bigger impact on television. But the other thing is, I actually believe all of the things I’m saying. These aren’t things that I had to be like, Look, I’m hosting a show, so I better drum up some controversy.
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These are things I actually believe in—things I really have considered and thought about. Like the thing with SNL… as much as I don’t think that they should have had to hire somebody [female and black], they emailed me for who I thought they should hire, and I gave them a bunch of names.Really?
Well, it’s not like I was going to have them email me and stand in front of the tank, like, “I will not help you.”But at the same time, I still don’t believe they should have had to because the internet forced them. What about Asian people? I don’t remember anyone getting upset when Amy Poehler played Kim Jong-il.I think some people see a difference between Amy Poehler playing Kim Jong-il and SNL having a white guy play Barack.
Yeah, but (A) he’s mixed, and (B) what’s the difference?Well…
What’s the difference? You’re still putting an Asian person out of work, you know what I mean? When Darrell Hammond played Jesse Jackson, no one gave a fuck, because it was hilarious. Again, that’s the thing for anyone who tries to argue with me—I’m pretty well versed in this stuff. Chappelle used to call me “SNL Historian, Neal Brennan.” As much as people pretend that they care, they don’t really care. They just see an opportunity to grandstand, and they take it. I don’t see anyone worrying about Middle Eastern men getting on the show, or Asian men. It’s just somehow people only cared about black women.
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Yeah, OK. That’s not a very good point, but OK. So people aren’t against racism; they’re just against racism against black people? They’re not against discrimination; they’re just against discrimination against black women on SNL.OK, Neal, let’s move on. On The Champs, you’re really great at cutting to the core of what’s wrong with someone’s career or persona. Are there any parts of yourself or your career that you’ve had trouble reconciling?
No. My personality fucking stinks.[Laughs.]
I’m not the easiest dude to work with. I’m a pain in the ass. I’m obsessive, I’m a control freak, I get snappy with people. I’m not… I’m not a picnic. I act superior half the time. I don’t know where I got these personality traits from, but I’m working on 'em.You’re also spectacularly un-PC on The Champs. You often say the N-word in front of black guests with impunity. Has anyone ever gotten upset with you for saying it or saying something that they perceive as a little across the line, racially?
No, I’m friends with most of the black people who have been on the show. Black guys like calling me the N-word. I can’t explain it. They think it’s funny. And I think they understand that I’ve written it so much and that I’m also a comedian. I’ve also said it in my act. I said it eight times in my special. There are some episodes where I don’t say it, because if I don’t know somebody [and their comfort level with me], I’m not gonna say it. And if you think about it, most of the time I say it I’m paraphrasing somebody else. It’ll be like, “Mooney said…” or “Eddie said…”
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I’m a huge fan. What was funny is that I emailed him. And I think at first he literally wrote back, “Dude, you write these things and never expect the person who you’re writing about to read it.”We went back and forth over a long email. We had at least three back-and-forths. They’re private, but we had an interesting discussion.Was there anything that he said that made you feel differently about your comments?
It was definitely interesting, but it didn’t resolve itself in a way that I’m happy with, I’ll say that. But it was definitely interesting.Sometimes in The Champs you’ll reference hanging out with folks or being at a party that sounds like a who’s who of black Hollywood. Has there ever been a time when you’re some place and you’re looking around and you’re like, “Wow, this is crazy. There is some legendary talent in this room.”
There was one a few months ago where me and Dave went up to Eddie Murphy’s house and we sat on his patio. It was just me, Dave, and Eddie talking about comedy. It was just one of these things where Eddie said something to Dave about comedy or life that would just leave me like, I can’t believe I saw that.
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I have a low tolerance for inanity, so the big thing was making sure everything on the show was insightful. Amy Schumer watched the show and she’s like, “Thank you for making a show where it’s not like embarrassing to comedians, or a show where comedians are just going for stupid jokes the whole time.”The thing about comedians is, we’re generally pretty smart. So, if we can be smart and funny, that is the victory. That’s what I like about the show—that we can be both insightful and fun.You’ve worn a lot of different hats in the business: writer, director, stand-up comic, television host. Is there anything left that you’d really like to do?
Journalist. I would love it if for one day we could switch places, so I could be in a conference room on speakerphone.[Laughs.] Thanks, Neal.
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