Zahid and Ranjan are among the few openly gay couples in Delhi. "Even though people are more out today, there is that thing in the back of the mind saying this is still illegal in this country. If they decide to crack down on it, we are too exposed already, so we would be in a lot of trouble," says Ranjan.
Pavitr, a graphic designer, comes from an affluent family. An activist in the LGBT movement, he shares a flat with another man and is single with a busy social life. "My family didn't hassle me after I came out. From then on there was no marriage pressure," he says.
Sunil Gupta: What I found was that I lost the ability to distinguish who was gay. I think that's culturally determined. It's like when I first went to Canada, I thought everybody was straight. I couldn't tell. When I went back to India ten years later, I reversed that: Everybody seem to be gay because they all walked in hand in hand. They all were limp-wristed. It's so cultural, but no one wanted to talk about it. That put people off. In a cruising area, for example, people came to have sex, not to have a chat about it. I was trying to collect audio interviews as well as photographs, for artistic purposes. I guess I looked like some kind of social scientist with a tape recorder and a camera, and people were not keen to speak, and they were definitely not keen to be in a picture. Everybody was in the closet still, and I thought it would be very unfair to publicize them all over the world without their knowledge.Today, many are still not out, but it's hugely different in terms of documentary and photography. In 1980, nobody would turn their face to my camera and people certainly did not want to have their name on the picture, which they do in the book. The project now, which is portraits of real people with their names, with them facing the camera, is completely a reversal from how it was then. That's how I experienced it photographically.
Jatin (right) belongs to a community of Dalits ("untouchtables") and identifies as a kothi (a term for an effeminate man). He was forced to get married, and lives with his wife and three children in his parents' home. He seeks out male sexual partners in the park on his way home.
Charan Singh: There was a subgroup of men who were calling themselves kothis, who were more feminine and equivalent to street queens who would sometimes dress up. Sometimes they're also involved in sex work. There are trans people, who we called hijras (which has a whole mythology around it), and there's a big family-like structure, which has been more well-documented in India.Sunil Gupta: What we think of as "trans" [in the West] is relatively recent. But in India, hijras is an ancient idea. It's been a living culture for hundreds of years. Indians grow up with it. We all grew up looking at them on the streets and being familiar with it. The word "trans" doesn't quite get the nuances of India, and its range of people.That brings up a point I know you grappled with a lot: How do you make this book and your work relevant and relatable to Western audiences without glossing over the differences in how we view sexuality and gender here versus in India?
Sunil Gupta: My interest in this whole project was to locate images of actual Indian LGBT people in art history. I had no previous history or reference to turn to. All my references were European or American. That's changed over the last three decades. I'm hoping that the reception of this book will be more widespread than my pictures in the 80s. I think when I showed my pictures in the 80s in London, they seemed very niche. They seemed exotic and foreign. I don't think people were that interested to even try to figure out what was going on. It just seemed too far away, too exotic, too other. I think now we live a in more globalized world.
Geeta (let) comes from a wealthy family in Mumbai and only felt comfortable coming out in the United States. She lives part of the year in India, and the rest of the year with her American wife Kath in Virginia. "It matters to me that I'm in India. Sometimes it's hard to be here… I feel like danger is stalking us in a much more different way," she says.
Sunil Gupta: In the 80s, when I was finding that men had no speech about [being queer] and they were voiceless or in the closet, but were able to have a lot of public sex, women had a relatively opposite experience. Streets [in India] can be dangerous to women, so they're not hanging out on the street corners, and so women did have a voice. Privately, women were talking a lot more about a women's movement, in which there's space for sexual difference. Some of India's more recent gay liberation and the politics of it from the 90s, early 2000s, emerged from the women's movement.
Sunil Gupta: The older people are all married and in the closet, and they're never going to come out. They're still completely invisible. I think the [younger] generation is keen to be liberated. India is growing rapidly, and younger people are well-off; they all have jobs. They want what they want, and they want it now. They don't want to wait for some later time to be freed, so they're much more demanding of their rights.My theory is that gay liberation was born in rich Western places like New York and London because it takes money. You can't be poor and liberated. To be out and leave your family requires that you either have cash or you live in a welfare state like Europe. If you leave your family in India, you'll starve, and there's no healthcare, there's no housing. There's nothing. You can't leave them, so it's very difficult to be outwardly, like, "I'm a single gay man in my own apartment." That doesn't work. You don't have the means for that in India.Charan Singh: In India, you grow up with this idea that beyond your blood family, there's no existence of your own. I think you give so much of yourself to the family that you don't think about life beyond that structure. I think it's now slightly shifting where people are moving out, with internal migration from different cities within the country. Also going abroad and coming back, and all of that. I think it's making space for different kinds of voices.'Delhi: Communities of Belonging' is out now via the New Press. Order the photo book here.Follow Peter on[](https://twitter.com/ptrmsk>Twitter.
