
Annons
Seyi Rhodes: Travelling round Africa, I'd noticed churches like this popping up all over the place. Africa has a kind of Wild West, frontier type feel to it at times – loads of unexplored bits and migratory, transitory people – and with that comes the preachers who move around and set up little buildings all over the place. So, wherever you go, you're always coming across different preachers. I noticed quite a few of them were Nigerian, and there was a lot of this miracle and prosperity preaching going on. Also, I have family in Nigeria and they had told me stories about the big name pastors and how they love to flaunt their money. You know, being in the magazines, driving nice cars and cruising about in big yachts.

Yeah, there's a marina in Lagos with a few private boat clubs that some of the pastors are members of. Unfortunately, because the club's private, I couldn't get in and have a look. That was generally the main problem; because there's never any accounting in any of these churches, it's very hard to find out what they're spending their money on. Fleets of yellow cars, by the looks of it. Christianity has been big business in the States for ages, how does the Nigerian situation differ?
Well, it differs and it doesn't. There are a lot of similarities between Africa and how America was when this sort of preaching first started, which was in the 1890s, and then had a big boom around the 50s when TV started becoming big. The main difference, I guess, is that the Nigerians take it on with all the enthusiasm that they have for everything, and all the churches are generally louder, more colourful and more charismatic. And it's that charisma which turns some of these preachers into megastars, right?
Yeah, pretty much. Nigeria has a very conservative culture and society, you know? Nobody ever questions a pastor, and it's a very hierarchical culture, so there's a lot of respect for anyone with a title, really, which includes pastors.
Annons

Yeah, it's very important to look the part, which is quite an African thing generally, but even more so in Nigeria. It basically involves looking rich, looking like you're wearing expensive clothes, like you have an entourage with bodyguards, nice cars, everything that one imagines a wealthy person to have. But, with Fireman in particular, if you watch the film, it is quite funny, fashion-wise. It's much the same as areas like Hackney, or any place with a large African population, where you'll see everyone on a Sunday on their way to church looking sharp as hell. Yeah, wearing the shiny suits and snakeskin shoes.
All of that sort of stuff, yeah. Then, on top of that, you've got people who can't afford suits so they go in for the colour coordination, which is Fireman's big thing. Because yellow and red is the colour of his church, you see people wearing red fake crocodile-skin shoes with yellow jeans, a red T-shirt and a yellow hat, or something like that. That is true dedication to colour coordination. Seeing as all of the preaching is about becoming rich, do those poorer members of the church still try to project wealth?
Yeah, definitely. Because it's such a social event – people find husbands and wives at church, people do business at church, people do everything at church – you really would think that there's a wedding going on once a week from the outfits people are wearing.
Annons

Well, of all the pastors out there prosperity preaching in the same vein as Fireman – so, churches like The Household Of God – I think there will be a real mixture of straight-out con men, people who've made themselves believe because they can't live with being con men and then people who are just slightly deluded. Despite that, you can't help but think, 'He's running a thriving church here, hundreds of people are coming every Sunday, so isn't that a good thing?' But then you think, 'Where's all the money going?' So, just as I'm conflicted, I think Fireman probably is, too. What about when he says in the film that Jesus "had an accountant"? Surely he knows he's bull-shitting there?
Well, that bit's interesting. What they tend to do is take certain biblical references and then skew them, and because people in the congregation maybe haven't read that exact line in the bible before, they tend to just go with the interpretation of whoever taught it to them. There are two or three lines referring to Judas Iscariot being the keeper of the purse, and Fireman and pastors like him take that to mean he was Jesus' accountant. What's your take on that?
Well, I read it to mean that Jesus and his disciples were given gifts, food and money as they went round preaching and Judas, being a taxman, was good with numbers, so just kept stock of all of their inventory. I don't think it meant that Jesus with massively wealthy and needed someone to balance his books.
Annons

Yeah, a little bit. The main criticisms come from the Anglican church, and the Catholics aren't big fans either because they're losing customers, as it were, to these churches. The thing is, because the catholic religion is based a bit around miracles, they can't really counter what the new pastors are saying, whereas the anglicans can because they've never gone for any of the miracle stuff anyway. Other than that, people tut and sigh about it in private, but because, at root, it's 'all for God', and, like the Americans, Nigeria is a God-obsessed country, there's not too much bad-mouthing that can be done openly. But the people being healed and exorcised are quite clearly plants, right?
It felt like that to me, yeah. So, do you think preachers are using con artist tactics like that to help raise their profiles and ultimately make more money?
Well, this is the difficult part. I certainly can't prove any collusion, but I will say that I can see why people would play along in those situations. If you turned up as a junior member of the church and went along with the supposed exorcism, it's definitely a good way of moving up the hierarchy within the church and proving to the pastor that you're someone they can rely on.
Annons

Yeah, for sure. What's most worrying and dangerous is that all the new churches popping up tend to be prosperity-focused and have taken a huge amount of that reading of the Bible into their ethos, so they tend to go in for the miracles and that kind of thing, which is a very good way of convincing people to give them more money. They believe the more money they pay to these churches, the more likely they are to be subject to miracles and being looked after by God?
Yeah, exactly. Are you Christian yourself? Did you go in with any prior feelings about what these pastors are up to?
I suppose I'm a bit more religious than the average, but still pretty average. I went into it knowing roughly what I was going to get, but I didn't realise how angry I was going to be about it. You've got to think about the kind of person who does this. Fireman surrounds himself with all these guys in shiny suits, encourages them all to generate as much income as possible, and you can't help but think, 'You're really not a nice bunch of people.'

Yeah, that kind of thing isn't uncommon either. In England, actually, there's been similar cases of churches convincing people with HIV to stop taking the drugs because God's supposedly going to heal them, then those people have died. Jesus, that doesn't sound very Christian. Have you investigated the churches being set up in England much?
Yeah, I've looked a lot into the English side and there's definitely a story there. These churches are all over the place now, though. There are Nigerians who took the American ethos to Nigeria, and have now taken it back to America and are setting up in all these old, 19th century churches, which is kind of funny. There are Nigerians who've gone to Ukraine, Thailand, all over the world. How are they being received in Ukraine?
Well, wherever there's a Nigerian population, they're being received pretty well, which is almost a scary thought.You can watch Nigeria's Millionaire Preachers in full, here.

