Weâve been going on about our new film The Fourth Dimension all week, and you damn well know itâs not going to stop anytime soon. If you missed one of the three NY screenings this week, you blew it. Good news is the film will see a wider release soon at a theater near you.The first of three short films that constitute The Fourth Dimension is Harmony Korineâs Lotus Community Workshop, which features Val Kilmer as a washed-up and completely unhinged motivational speaker named Val Kilmer who rants about âawesome secrets,â spaceships, and all sorts of other nonsense to a skating rink full of downtrodden souls. Earlier this week I sat down with Val, Harmony, and producer and VICE executive creative director Eddy Moretti to talk about their weird but glorious creation and hash out what, if anything, all of it means.
Eddy Moretti: The idea of the project was to do a couple of short films but to somehow tie them together. We went through a number of different ways of connecting them and then we just thought, âLetâs just send a set of instructions to people and let them pull elements from the instructions and put them together.âWas the idea for Lotus Community Workshop kicking around for a while or was it created especially for The Fourth Dimension?
Harmony Korine: Well, the strange length of the movie makes it too long for a short, but not long enough for a feature. And I didnât really know, so I just started thinking, I should make something that just works on its own logic and its own time. I started thinking about more of a monologue, and I started imagining that if I could get anybody to say these lines, who would it be? And it was Val.Lots of reviewers have been saying Valâs monologue is improvisational. Is that true? It sounded like at least some of it came out of Harmonyâs brain.
Val: Itâs always nice to hear, because people canât tell. But itâs a compliment to your writing and the acting, but I would say that itâs almost 100 percent scripted.
Eddy: I was amazed, actually, by how close it was to the script.
Harmony: My only role in writing is to react, to make it real, to make it entertaining.Have any of you guys ever paid to see a motivational speaker?
Eddy: No.
Harmony: I took a âStop Smokingâ course at work.
Eddy: You did? It worked?
Harmony: It worked!Where was it shot?
Harmony: We shot it in Nashville, at the Brentwood Skate Rink. I grew up there. Like, breakdancing there when I was a kid.
Val: I was concerned about the low-ceilings, because when you think âmotivational speaker,â you want your audience to think all these obvious thoughts. Of course, it didnât do anything remotely like a usual motivational speaker. One of the ideas, which thereâs only one brief cut at the end, was that we would see him being filmed, and that would be part of the story. But the thing that made it so suddenly poetic and fantastic, which must have been in [Harmonyâs] mindâI go down on my knees to tell the story of the Mothership [a non sequitur alien spaceship randomly mentioned by Val in the film] because otherwise thereâs just no size to this story, and the ground is reflected. So these ridiculous lights become lights of the ship on the ground. It looks like thereâs a Mothership above us, as if it was a big master plan.Does that tie into the whole space-time, fourth dimension stuff?
Harmony: Yeah, I guess so.
Eddy: I never even asked you if youâve ever really saw a spaceship.
Harmony: Iâve never seen one.
Val: I have.Whereâd you see one?
Val: New Mexico. The epicenter.Fair enough.
Harmony: Thatâs true. Thatâs where they all are.
Val: I think the birthplace of the bomb had something to do with it. This big flash went out into the cosmosâŠ
Eddy: And it attracted some attention.
Val: And they said, âLetâs go check that spot out.â
Harmony: That makes sense.Whatâs up with the name Lotus Community Workshop?
Harmony: I was just trying to imagine what it would be called.That seems about right. It seems like itâs something real, like in Williamsburg or something.
Harmony: Williamsburg? Oh Jesus.Or in San Francisco.
Harmony: San Francisco.Itâs not national, to me.
Val: And you guys had a friend who was like, our moderator, kind of?
Harmony: Oh yeah! Troy Duff.
Val: Troy.
Harmony: The black guy with the dreads [who introduces Val to the crowd in the film].Heâs just a guy youâve known?
Harmony: He like, spray paints underwear and stuff and sells it on eBay. Itâs called âDuffâs Stuff.â
Val: Is he not the guy in the iPod ad?
Harmony: Yeah, heâs also the dude in the iPod ad.
Val: The very first guy that came out.
Harmony: The silhouette that starts, you know, with his hairâŠ
Val: So did you do that ad or he just got that gig?
Harmony: No. Yeah, he just got that.Were a lot of the other audience members just dudes from around town?
Harmony: Yeah. Hard-luck cases.
Eddy: Wasnât there some guy at a bus shelter, when we were driving around and you were like, âThis is the guy that was in Gummo.â
Harmony: Oh youâre talking about the black dwarf. Little Bryan.
Eddy: And you wanted to invite him to the set.
Harmony: Yeah.
Eddy: Yeah. He never made it.Have you seen the completed film?
Harmony: I just saw it on Friday, yeah.And what did you think about how the other two shorts connected with yours?
Harmony: Nice.I liked that it wasnât too literal in terms of connection, but itâs definitely evocative.
Eddy: Itâs just, like, to create a moodâbeing playful, trying to distract people from making simple connections.Another unique thing about the movie is that Grolsch helped fund it. Is that something that you find brands are more willing to do right now?
Eddy: Some of them are.Itâs kind of risky though.
Eddy: Itâs very risky. And these two guys, Thomas and Ronald, ended up being really cool guys. We spent a lot of time talking about what they should do, and at first it wasnât even apparent what they wanted to do, and then I suggested that we make a film together and they said, âThat could be fun.âAnd itâs not like people are drinking Grolsch stuff.
Eddy: Itâs not about that. They go around and sponsor film festivals and they came to us and said, âWhat else can we do? Is that all we get to do, just put our logo on a film festival brochure?â And I said, âNo, you can actually be a part of the film community and support some interesting film projects.â So, thatâs what they wanted. They wanted to be recognized for supporting. Look, all these fucking brands have a lot of money. And what do they generally do with their money? They make 30 second spots. And thatâs it. Thereâs a whole other world of things they could be doing with that money, it gets kind of pissed away in fees.
Val: Well, itâs an interesting statistic of how ineffective conventional advertising is. It almost all the time fails. But everybody goes around hoping that this one time it will work.
Eddy: Thatâs what maybe makes Mad Men so popular right now, because thatâs where people are creatively. Theyâre still in a 50s, 60s kind of place. Itâs fucking retarded. Advertising has reached a point of ultimate, maximum retardationâso something else has to happen. And these guys were cool enough to say âfuck it.âWhat are you working on next?
Harmony: Just editing a movie called Spring Breakers.Oh, with the ATL twins and Selena Gomez?
Val: The twins? You stuck them in there!How about you, Val?
Val: Iâm dong my one-man show. Iâm also getting a doctorate next week.
Eddy: Are you?
Val: Yeah⊠[laughs] âAre you?!â
Eddy: Well they do those, they have honorary doctorates.
Val: Yeah. And now I have one.
Eddy: I could see you at the College of New Mexico.To find out more about The Fourth Dimension go to grolschfilmworks.com.@rocco_castoro
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VICE: So apparently the impetus to make this film began with a âcreative brief.â Thatâs pretty typical for the ad world, but Iâve never heard of it being used for a movie.
Eddy Moretti: The idea of the project was to do a couple of short films but to somehow tie them together. We went through a number of different ways of connecting them and then we just thought, âLetâs just send a set of instructions to people and let them pull elements from the instructions and put them together.âWas the idea for Lotus Community Workshop kicking around for a while or was it created especially for The Fourth Dimension?
Harmony Korine: Well, the strange length of the movie makes it too long for a short, but not long enough for a feature. And I didnât really know, so I just started thinking, I should make something that just works on its own logic and its own time. I started thinking about more of a monologue, and I started imagining that if I could get anybody to say these lines, who would it be? And it was Val.Lots of reviewers have been saying Valâs monologue is improvisational. Is that true? It sounded like at least some of it came out of Harmonyâs brain.
Val: Itâs always nice to hear, because people canât tell. But itâs a compliment to your writing and the acting, but I would say that itâs almost 100 percent scripted.
Eddy: I was amazed, actually, by how close it was to the script.
Harmony: My only role in writing is to react, to make it real, to make it entertaining.
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Eddy: No.
Harmony: I took a âStop Smokingâ course at work.
Eddy: You did? It worked?
Harmony: It worked!Where was it shot?
Harmony: We shot it in Nashville, at the Brentwood Skate Rink. I grew up there. Like, breakdancing there when I was a kid.
Val: I was concerned about the low-ceilings, because when you think âmotivational speaker,â you want your audience to think all these obvious thoughts. Of course, it didnât do anything remotely like a usual motivational speaker. One of the ideas, which thereâs only one brief cut at the end, was that we would see him being filmed, and that would be part of the story. But the thing that made it so suddenly poetic and fantastic, which must have been in [Harmonyâs] mindâI go down on my knees to tell the story of the Mothership [a non sequitur alien spaceship randomly mentioned by Val in the film] because otherwise thereâs just no size to this story, and the ground is reflected. So these ridiculous lights become lights of the ship on the ground. It looks like thereâs a Mothership above us, as if it was a big master plan.Does that tie into the whole space-time, fourth dimension stuff?
Harmony: Yeah, I guess so.
Eddy: I never even asked you if youâve ever really saw a spaceship.
Harmony: Iâve never seen one.
Val: I have.Whereâd you see one?
Val: New Mexico. The epicenter.Fair enough.
Harmony: Thatâs true. Thatâs where they all are.
Val: I think the birthplace of the bomb had something to do with it. This big flash went out into the cosmosâŠ
Eddy: And it attracted some attention.
Val: And they said, âLetâs go check that spot out.â
Harmony: That makes sense.
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Harmony: I was just trying to imagine what it would be called.That seems about right. It seems like itâs something real, like in Williamsburg or something.
Harmony: Williamsburg? Oh Jesus.Or in San Francisco.
Harmony: San Francisco.Itâs not national, to me.
Val: And you guys had a friend who was like, our moderator, kind of?
Harmony: Oh yeah! Troy Duff.
Val: Troy.
Harmony: The black guy with the dreads [who introduces Val to the crowd in the film].Heâs just a guy youâve known?
Harmony: He like, spray paints underwear and stuff and sells it on eBay. Itâs called âDuffâs Stuff.â
Val: Is he not the guy in the iPod ad?
Harmony: Yeah, heâs also the dude in the iPod ad.
Val: The very first guy that came out.
Harmony: The silhouette that starts, you know, with his hairâŠ
Val: So did you do that ad or he just got that gig?
Harmony: No. Yeah, he just got that.Were a lot of the other audience members just dudes from around town?
Harmony: Yeah. Hard-luck cases.
Eddy: Wasnât there some guy at a bus shelter, when we were driving around and you were like, âThis is the guy that was in Gummo.â
Harmony: Oh youâre talking about the black dwarf. Little Bryan.
Eddy: And you wanted to invite him to the set.
Harmony: Yeah.
Eddy: Yeah. He never made it.Have you seen the completed film?
Harmony: I just saw it on Friday, yeah.And what did you think about how the other two shorts connected with yours?
Harmony: Nice.
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Eddy: Itâs just, like, to create a moodâbeing playful, trying to distract people from making simple connections.Another unique thing about the movie is that Grolsch helped fund it. Is that something that you find brands are more willing to do right now?
Eddy: Some of them are.Itâs kind of risky though.
Eddy: Itâs very risky. And these two guys, Thomas and Ronald, ended up being really cool guys. We spent a lot of time talking about what they should do, and at first it wasnât even apparent what they wanted to do, and then I suggested that we make a film together and they said, âThat could be fun.âAnd itâs not like people are drinking Grolsch stuff.
Eddy: Itâs not about that. They go around and sponsor film festivals and they came to us and said, âWhat else can we do? Is that all we get to do, just put our logo on a film festival brochure?â And I said, âNo, you can actually be a part of the film community and support some interesting film projects.â So, thatâs what they wanted. They wanted to be recognized for supporting. Look, all these fucking brands have a lot of money. And what do they generally do with their money? They make 30 second spots. And thatâs it. Thereâs a whole other world of things they could be doing with that money, it gets kind of pissed away in fees.
Val: Well, itâs an interesting statistic of how ineffective conventional advertising is. It almost all the time fails. But everybody goes around hoping that this one time it will work.
Eddy: Thatâs what maybe makes Mad Men so popular right now, because thatâs where people are creatively. Theyâre still in a 50s, 60s kind of place. Itâs fucking retarded. Advertising has reached a point of ultimate, maximum retardationâso something else has to happen. And these guys were cool enough to say âfuck it.â
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Harmony: Just editing a movie called Spring Breakers.Oh, with the ATL twins and Selena Gomez?
Val: The twins? You stuck them in there!How about you, Val?
Val: Iâm dong my one-man show. Iâm also getting a doctorate next week.
Eddy: Are you?
Val: Yeah⊠[laughs] âAre you?!â
Eddy: Well they do those, they have honorary doctorates.
Val: Yeah. And now I have one.
Eddy: I could see you at the College of New Mexico.To find out more about The Fourth Dimension go to grolschfilmworks.com.@rocco_castoro