OO.ready(function() { OO.Player.create('ooyalaplayer', 'Y5ZzdzYzq8bKrbRe_JEI_oy3EE0T2sCe'); });Please enable Javascript to watch this videoThe VICE Podcast Show is a weekly unedited discussion which delves inside the minds of some of the most interesting, creative, and bizarre people we know. This week, we speak with Jeremy Scahill, national security correspondent for the Nation, whose work covering America's special-operations forces and targeted killings in Afghanistan, Yemen, and Somalia is chronicled in the recently released documentary, Dirty Wars: The World Is a Battlefield. As the US continues to expand its use of covert counterterrorism measures worldwide, Scahill argues that far from making Americans safer, these measures are in fact undermining national security.Previously on the podcast we spoke with documentary photographer, filmmaker, and artist Tim Freccia.More about national security on VICE.com:How Are We Supposed to Know What the Government Does?A Brief History of the US Government Spying on Its Citizens